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7-5-2009 9:21 PM
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merrie says:
they were forced to wait 60 days to begin post-operative radiation treatments.

280,392: The number of jobs that employers would shed if government levied an employer mandate, requiring them to insure all employees. A 2007 study by Katherine Baicker of Harvard University and Helen Levy of the University of Michigan ("Employer Health Insurance Mandates and the Risk of Unemployment")

37: The "health care ranking" assigned to the U.S. by the World Health Organization among the world's countries. This oft
-quoted number is used to justify an overhaul of the U.S. health care system and lists countries like Italy (2), Andorra (4), Malta (5), Singapore (6), Oman (8), Portugal (12), Greece (14), the United Kingdom (18), Ireland (19), Columbia (22), Cyprus (24), Saudi Arabia (26), the UAE (27), Morocco (29), Canada (30), Chile (33), the Dominican Republic (35) and Costa Rica (36) ahead of the U.S.
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7-5-2009 9:27 PM
merrie
Considering that no U.S. citizens travel to these countries when experiencing a life-threatening situation, it’s worth questioning the methods by which the WHO arrived at these rankings. Their criteria included subjective and political assessments such as “Fairness in financial contribution“. Suffice it to say that the WHO’s rankings are clearly fraudulent and are designed to influence U.S. policy.

443,849: The number of British patients of the National Healthcare Service (NHS) who waited four or more weeks for inpatient admittance into a hospital (Excel file) in May of 2009 (more than 75% of all patients).

1,500,000: The number of Canadians who do not have — and cannot find — a general pr...
7-5-2009 9:28 PM
merrie
$3,600,000,000 ($3.6 billion): The amount of added malpractice insurance costs to the current health care system instigated by an out-of-control trial lawyer lobby that donates heavily to Democrat causes.


$10,000,000,000 ($10 billion): The estimated amount of Medicaid fraud, based upon FBI estimates. Criminal practices include billing for nonexistent, overstated, or unnecessary services, kickbacks to patients, inflated costs, etc.


$60,000,000,000 ($60 billion): The estimated annual amount of Medicare fraud, due to widespread criminal operations that victimize taxpayers and specialize in dead doctors, fake patients, non-existent treatments and the like.


$107,000,000,000,000 ($107 trilli...
7-5-2009 9:54 PM
willhelm
Thanks!
7-5-2009 11:36 PM
jklugman
13: The number of teeth that British veteran Ian Boynton pulled out himself with pliers "because he couldn't find an NHS (National Health Service) dentist.
Not mentioned: Boynton could not afford to pay for private treatment.
7-6-2009 7:39 PM
willhelm
Not mentioned: Boynton could not afford to pay for private treatment.
When there is a government plan only the wealthy will actually have the luxury of private health insurance.
7-6-2009 8:58 PM
jklugman
And when there is no government plan your ability to get the "luxury" of quality health care is based on your income and standing in the labor market.
7-6-2009 9:00 PM
willhelm
That is TOTAL BULL CRAP.
7-6-2009 9:17 PM
jklugman
Don't take my word for it.

The U.S. Census Bureau said:

In 2007, 24.5 percent of people in households
with annual incomes of less than $25,000 had no health insurance coverage. Uninsured rates decreased for each consecutive household income group to 21.1 percent for households with incomes of $25,000 to $49,999, 14.5 percent for households with incomes of $50,000 to $74,999, and 7.8 percent for households with
incomes of $75,000 or more.[p. 23]
7-6-2009 9:27 PM
willhelm
It doesnt mean crap, JK. A large number of under 30s choose to not buy insurance. Also , many in that group would never go without cable, internet, cell phones, parties, etc. Health insurance costs less than all those things.
7-6-2009 10:12 PM
jklugman
A large number of under 30s choose to not buy insurance.
And a large number of people in their 30s, 40s, 50s, and 60s "choose" to not buy insurance (just as, I suppose, Ian Boynton "chose" to not buy private insurance), and the data show this "choice" is harder for people with lower incomes. [2]

Income % Uncovered
0-25K 37%
25-50K 25%
50-75K 15%
75-100K 9%
100K+ 6%

Also , many in that group would never go without cable, internet, cell phones, parties, etc.
Interesting how you leap blame Americans without health care for causing their woes, without a shred ...
7-6-2009 10:16 PM
willhelm
Of course I blame Americans for not having insurance. There is a remedy to a lack of insurance. It's called...get some. I don't blame Britons because they don't have the same choice.
7-6-2009 10:30 PM
jklugman
I don't blame Britons because they don't have the same choice.
Boynton made the same "choice" a lot of Americans make...foregoing health care because you can't afford it.
7-7-2009 7:47 PM
willhelm
He could not afford it because the cost is astronomical. In America, a yahoo receiving unemployment should at the very least easily afford catastrophic coverage.
7-7-2009 8:25 PM
jklugman
He could not afford it because the cost is astronomical.
Really? How much more would it have cost him to see a private dentist in the UK than in the US? I am genuinely interested, and you seem to know the details.
7-7-2009 8:42 PM
willhelm
I don't know the details. I know the conditions and I know the facts about American healthcare. Lastly, I have no desire or need to want to force people to live under slavery to the State for their healthcare needs. But, you are a Progressive-Fascist. We can agree to disagree. It wouldn't be the first time you duck under some vague, irrelevant fact to the avoidance of the ultimate issue and conditions. After all, You are a sociologist. Making things up is what you do.
7-7-2009 8:52 PM
jklugman
Not surprisingly, you yet again ask your audience to accept your ideological convictions as a substitute for factual knowledge.

I think I'll pass.
7-7-2009 9:41 PM
willhelm
I thinks it is clear to anyone that whatever you believe your facts to be is usually irrelevant and not worth entertaining to any degree. We have shown before that your reputation for "facts" is not highly esteemed. I tend to not waste my time. The difficulty you have with reality absent ideology is directly relational to the insignificance that your "facts" corrspond to reality.

After all, you are a sociologist!
What did the father of Sociology, Ausgust Comte, say about Sociology?
He said this:

Sociology
is not a science. It is a system of strategies
being used to reach a particular goal. What
is that goal?
[i]“the
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